We know who and we are making reverent steps to commune. It is a part of my calling and election. Rodney (and others) — the true order of prayer is teaching symbolically the way in which heaven and earth commune. I knew it was being recorded. It dismays me. This is my calling and election. As it states under the topic of "Prayer" at www.LDS.org: "As we make a habit of approaching God in prayer, we will come to know Him and draw ever nearer to Him. The best way I can describe it is similar to what I wrote in the post. Again, I thank you for all you allow, share and teach!!! A guy asks him about sustaining leaders, and here is a popular song by “Lorde” so he quips, the Lorde recently said, “I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, So there. I asked her if she still wanted the blessing. Maybe I’m wrong. Praying with your new name (Have you really taken upon you the “name of Christ”), the name of “Christ” (I’m using this name as a title, not a person), which relationship is mediated by “your” Holy Ghost (remember we are multi-dimensional beings), which when received fully there / here provides a oneness, even a connection between Heaven and Earth, Having gone there, received, we can then return and establish here; a true order. I know, because using Mel Fish techniques, I cast out evil spirits continually since preparatory arrangements have been made. Or when the children of Thy people, in years to come, shall be separated, through any cause, from this place, and their hearts shall turn in remembrance of Thy promises to this holy Temple, and they shall cry unto Thee from the depths of their affliction and sorrow to extend relief and deliverance to them, we humbly entreat Thee to Turn Thine ear in mercy to them; hearken to their cries, and grant unto them the blessings for which they ask. Yes, those representations can explain concepts such as why Eve should be subject to Adam, who is subject to God. I have a calling. Absolutely mind-blowing blog here. So, what’s next? That’s why Denver suggested it takes years of maturity in the gospel to recognize the deception and cast it out. I’ve worked on this response all day in between work and many other emails from readers. 2 Nephi 25:29 I had an experience over this past weekend. If we are the temple (individually), then I am the temple, you are the temple, each person reading this is the temple. We did two sessions that day just to be sure I understood what I was getting into. I only last year gave up the last 250 names to the temple to be done. I can testify the first paragraph has been true for me all my life. I may not be able to google it on lds.org, but that will never change what I experience inside of me, nor what I am completely pathetically trying to assist Heaven with here. I disagree with the way the church has ingrained it into our minds that we can’t talk about the temple except in the temple. Why do we learn all those things taught within the ceremony? 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? She knows I had something special happen to me Sunday but doesn’t know what. I will answer your questions directly. So there, [Chorus] Now I feel I am and do not think it will be an unpleasant experience even if the end result is mandated by Elder Maynes or someone in the Twelve. Towards the end of the temple endowment the officiator calls up couples from the audience to stand in a circle to pray. 20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. Which leads to me experiencing 90% + of my life is complete deception (because I can’t google it and find it in the Book of Mormon), which i’m open to … or I’ve had specific experiences (some of which i may not fully understand for years … and maybe there is just perpetual understanding?) Remember, it opens a portal to heaven. The Lord has asked it of me and I will do it. “And maybe you know this but the path of the truly righteous is filled with paradoxes … it is almost humorous the way God breaks His own “commandments” I don’t have any idea what this means??? Cause, O Lord, that even people who pass the grounds, or view the temple from afar, may lift their eyes from the groveling things of sordid life and look up to Thee and Thy providence.”. We do it because we, as women, are like the veil that the children of God come to the earth through. The Journey – Receiving Our Endowment It felt too much like magic, and made me feel a bit tricked, that maybe the reason I haven’t gotten clear answers to my prayers recently is that I didn’t stand or make the right sign. 3 Nephi 9:20 They came out of their experience with false beliefs. The True Order of Prayer (or Order of Prayer if you prefer) includes the prayer circle, a practice of the ages. I felt the Spirit and enjoyed serving the Lord. It was a pleasure to document the process and recognize now how close I have been on previous occasions. We should never give in to the idea that we are not worthy to pray. We then need to show it was received by believing it and living by it. The Lord is more concerned with why you do things than what you do. Anyone? I stand all amazed at the love he offers me and has offered me all my life. It will be an interesting topic to bring up with him that’s for sure. Reverent steps including fasting will strengthen your faith and reliance upon the Lord. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Jim and Elaine Harmston "donned their Mormon temple robes at home and created a makeshift altar from a pillow and piano bench topped by a white bed sheet. “Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. For the last few years I’ve fasted on General Conference Sunday. I found it deeply interesting that as I’ve spent time in worship, I’ve been prompted to hold my arms in certain arrangements, which has brought the temple signs to mind. He meant nothing by it. In your own home, you are the presiding authority with every right, in fact, responsibility, to invite true messengers to prepare you in all things to converse with the Lord through the veil. This has been a long journey, but has been more intense over the past two years. “…If any with gloomy forebodings or heavy hearts enter, may they depart with their burdens lightened and their faith increased; if any have envy or bitterness in their hearts, may such feelings be replaced by self-searching and forgiveness. I have never heard of this! I pray that they will be inspired and provide the counsel and teachings that church members need, especially those things I need to hear. Amen. I prayed this morning…literally giving my pain and heartache to the Savior Jesus Christ. Opens one up to deeper mysteries. We should offer prayers “for [our] welfare, and also for the welfare of those who are around [us]” (Alma 34:27). Thank you again. BTW, in my mind there is a difference between the TOP and the OP as currently taught. All signs tokens and words are to represent and convey meaning to you. Now that I have the Lord’s endorsement, I feel I cannot remove it without his permission. LDS Quotations is a resource for quotes on Prayer and 100s of other topics for talk or lesson prep, or just to browse. Instead, we should offer a simple, heartfelt prayer. Thank you! I can add my testimony to yours. At times we may be asked to offer a public prayer, perhaps in a Church meeting or class. He was a holy being, and I had the impression it was someone I knew, either my guardian angel or one of my ancestors. Heavenly Father hears our prayers. We feel it is right. I feel the same way. I plan on fasting on Sunday. Yes, on one level that describes the true order of prayer. I performed my task. The Lord gave me an assignment Monday morning as I was driving to work. It’s kind of humorous, really. The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, “Ye must always pray unto the Father in my name” (3 Nephi 18:19). PURE LIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE. I truly believe I was guided to find this blog. They must wait to participate in these kinds of circles until they have received their own endowment. I was endowed in the good old days – 1976. We are not just being taught to whom we pray or that the order of prayer means to express gratitude first and then voice petitions. Grant, chapter 19, “Open Your Soul to the Lord in Prayer”, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith, chapter 9, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay, chapter 8, “Prayer, the Passport to Spiritual Power”, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer  W. Kimball, chapter 5, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Ezra Taft Benson, chapter 2, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Gordon B. Hinckley, chapter 6, Faith, Fortitude, Fulfillment: A Message to Single Parents, Pioneers of the Future: “Be Not Afraid, Only Believe”, Come, Follow Me—For Primary: New Testament 2019, Behold Your Little Ones: Nursery Manual, lesson 3, Teachings and Doctrine of the Book of Mormon Teacher Manual, lesson 10, “Prayer,” Lesson Helps for Teaching Children, Jenny Poffenbarger, “The Loose-Tooth Test,” Friend, October 2016, Arie Van De Graaff, “Funstuff: Picture Puzzle,” Friend, October 2016, “Did You Think to Pray?” Hymns, no. 140, “Sweet Hour of Prayer,” Hymns, no. 142, “Prayer Is the Soul’s Sincere Desire,” Hymns, no. 145, “Ask of God,” New Era or Liahona, January 2017, Five Questions to Ask When Prayers Feel Unanswered. Now I need to make it sure. Prayer … I have received inspiration all my life, but this was powerful. The power of our prayers depends on us. We can silently express gratitude to our Father and ask Him to strengthen us in our responsibilities. Thanks for sharing. The above warning should be heeded as Lucifer desires to upend you if you do not have sufficent faith and knowledge about what you are doing. At times, Heavenly Father will counsel, guide, or comfort us while we are on our knees. Helaman 5:45 I did not wear the robes of the priesthood, although I could have done so. This is a common practice among those who have found through inspiration the strength and insight through revelation to do so. And you know, we’re on each other’s team, I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there I don’t want to be the means of causing others to lose faith. 34 Ammon said unto him: I am a man; and man in the beginning was created after the image of God, and I am called by his Holy Spirit to teach these things unto this people, that they may be brought to a knowledge of that which is just and true; 35 And a portion of that Spirit dwelleth in me, which giveth me knowledge, and also power according to my faith and desires which are in God. I would imagine that everything you’ve been through to receive this knowledge is worth the price you have paid. We live in cities you’ll never see on screen “I was asked by a young fellow about sustaining leaders in the upcoming general conference. Hello Church Mum, Please, please, please use the brethren and official LDS books for your guidelines – not an individual. The words and the way they are used in the Book of Mormon by the Lord should become our source of understanding and should be used by us in teaching gospel principles. 13 And it came to pass when they were all baptized and had come up out of the water, the Holy Ghost did fall upon them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire. We (members of the church), we have become so dogmatic, and addicted to rules, steps, processes. I’ve written a whole book about this, but to be brief, another possible layer of interpretation is: Eve = subjective perception/entity, “emotion” We discussed what went on in the temple many times. Advance no principle but what you can prove, for one scriptural proof is worth ten thousand opinions. This is sacred ground. There is so much that was “downloaded” into my spirit that it will take years to do all the things the Lord showed me both Sunday night and Monday night. By that I mean stand up when you offer the signs to the Lord. The Lord will continue to make requests of you, accompanied by those powerful and intense feelings of love measured in the amount that you need it in order to be sure. You have reminded me of some things I have known for years but have not practice. Nothing wrong with that, but just normal, standard prayers. Jesus revealed that we pray to a wise Father who knows what things we have need of, before we ask Him. That’s no typo. Dec 9, 2020 - Latter-day Village is an online resource for LDS teachers and leaders. I will also openly admit (although, again, I’m sure I don’t use the word the way you would use it), that I have been AND will be “deceived” along my path…no doubt about that! Heavenly Father expects us to do more than merely ask Him for blessings. Make sure you are standing as you do so. I felt he was talking to the Lord, and the power rested upon us all.” Joseph could have this kind of prayer because he really knew the Lord personally and talked to Him as one man talketh to his friend. Of course I especially look forward each conference to Elder Perry’s talk. What would be interesting is seeing which side of the altar is correct in the morning and in the afternoon – does it follow the sun or is the temple you chose to face more important – I suspect that it follows your original intent (the temple). I’ve been through several different blogs, and so far I like yours the most, in that you seem the most “on the level.” By that, I mean in your disagreements with some aspects of the Church, you don’t reject the most important things. Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. Additionally… My confusion comes with the inclusion of “child”. The GA’s always say make your home like the temple. Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. Yes, that’s the best way to describe it. 4 We pray to our Heavenly Father, 5 in the name of Jesus Christ, 6 by the power of the Holy Ghost. I think I started it something like this: “O Lord, I call upon thee in the true order of prayer with a specific desire and request to ask of thee for my own welfare and salvation.” I then paused, expectantly, wondering. Congratulations! I now know why the Brethren have not taught this openly. I think we must also recognize the other characters portrayed in relation to Adam and Eve. We will be able to secure for ourselves and for others blessings that He is … I wish I were alive when the endowment was 8 hours long. 🙂. She is not convinced of anything even if I show it to her in black and white. BTW… Did you build the alter you used? He didn’t look too good at the Woman’s Broadcast last Saturday. Thank you for following the promptings of the Spirit. (As far as the symbolism/lessons taught in temple). She holds back and watches me to see if I become a different and better person. I went into the weekend with comments from this blog in my heart and seeking for answers (i’m just that way, God talks to me / sends messages from just about everywhere). If this request is coming from Salt Lake, I can only respond as follows: I asked for and received permission from the Lord to post what I did. Perhaps the experience would be different had I been wearing the robes of the priesthood. I remember this General Conference address from Elder Nelson you linked. It was not my intention to offend, and yes, I specifically asked the Lord for permission to share this. Elder Nelson is using the phrase in this instance to differentiate between the practice of some people to pray directly to Christ and the practice of the Latter-day Saints to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Authorized teachers cite the scriptures and testify of their experiences. Maybe, just maybe, the true order of prayer allows us to effectively organize the mortal / material, into a reorganized conduit for the eternal? For English, click on Gospel Library. The Holy Ghost is the one kneeling and speaking at the alter after our body(EVE) and our mind (ADAM) is joined in harmony with each other in love deferring to the Holy Ghost.. We show signs that we are obeying the laws given to us and then allow the Holy Ghost to speak and then we repeat the words. But I also think that there are many “Pharisees” in all levels and areas of the Church, and I hope they don’t overrun it. 1. When we have an important decision to make, He often will require that we “study it out in [our] mind” before He will give us an answer (see Doctrine and Covenants 9:7–8). I want to second Toni’s point. I’ve been praying for those who will speak. We’re on each other’s team In your own tongue, and in your own language. Why, oh why is this not taught more openly and plainly in our church? At times we may be asked to offer a public prayer, perhaps in a Church meeting or class. I am in awe of God who gives liberally to any and all who seek truth. I now know for myself this works. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. Adam, thanks for your comment. We should not worry about what others may think of what we say. Frankly, I don’t think most members care. You just blew a couple of doors off my minds hinges and I’m grateful for that. 6 And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them: 7 Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him. Living in ruins of a palace within my dreams The ‘committee’. He spent two years in Central America as a missionary. Can you explain the Snuffer quote: I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air So there. It was confirmed to me this evening. On Sunday, I culminated a forty-year search for understanding of The True Order of Prayer. If I haven’t shared it before, you can read about it in the embedded links I just included. … We should “live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon [us]” (Alma 34:38). For further details, see the rest of Alma 18 beyond what I have already cited (particularly verse 41), Alma 22:7-18, Moses 6:47-68, and D&C 19:31. And maybe you know this but the path of the truly righteous is filled with paradoxes … it is almost humorous the way God breaks His own “commandments” when it comes to revealing himself to His Sons (using the term generically). I haven’t tried that yet. God is the only one to whom we owe our loyalties. Now you have knowledge. : I wish you well bringing forth your rose, which in my view, is the same as making your calling and election sure. I can think of two off the top of my head but I’m sure there is one more I’m forgetting. 40 years. Here is one key … reclaim what you have experienced as you have read what Tim shared and EXPERIMENT upon the word 🙂 He stands at the door knocking … will you answer? May God bless us each this weekend to be uplifted and enlightened. This has been a topic of study and contemplation by humble and faithful people throughout the ages. If so..what are we the temple of? Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and … He began his career as a programmer but switched to tech support many years ago. Rodney, just remember to be gentle with yourself along the way. Now I know! Quickly, a three day festival showing numerous short films, typically about nature, outdoors, climbing, challenging fears, awareness of this incredible creation earth!! I spoke slowly but with a sense of power I don’t normally feel. There is an order or ceremony to prayer that will allow us to converse with the Lord through the veil and receive instruction or revelation. Let us know if it is going to take longer. Thank you for this blog Tim and again bringing it to my attention. even a house of prayer, a house of fasting, a house of faith, a house of learning, a house of glory, a house of order, a house of God. Not having attended church or the temple in recent years is not a hindrance. Always give thanks to Heavenly Father. The true order of prayer is a part of that. I first attended the temple more than fifteen years ago. Of course Elder Nelson (and Elder McConkie) know full well we use the phrase in a different way in the temple. log, Study the word of God, and preach it and not your opinions, for no man’s opinion is worth a straw. Thanks. That has always been good enough for the Lord’s prophets. It’s hard to believe he is the oldest apostle at 92. So there Good luck. I am simply overwhelmed with emotion. Anyway, it hasn’t happened yet. I am beginning to learn how to feel his love and your example is heartening. Curious. I know where I fit in what is about to unfold in the very near future. I’m sharing this in an open public forum with the Lord’s permission. I went to the temple today. Tim, I knew you were going to get there! The reason to veil has to do with the Shekhinah, which you can research at your leisure. I have been pondering and praying about what I could possibly say to you. I love what you had to say about loving and sustaining those who lead this church. I sensed the presence of an angel expectantly waiting to record my prayer. Most of the ones I have read come from journal entries and meeting minutes. The Stages of Prayer The Stages of Prayer A guide to understanding where you are, and what you can do to improve your prayer life. To finish answering your last two questions, I don’t know about asking for something in the past or the future. You will not be brought into the presence of the Lord until you are tested by false messengers. You will begin to walk with the Lord in a way never experienced before. 30 And Ammon said unto him: The heavens is a place where God dwells and all his holy angels. I went to the temple tonight with new eyes and ears. God bless. The power of godliness is manifest through ordinances. I don’t believe that only one side of the bed is an altar, rather part of the order is facing the source of greatest light – you even see this in the Temple ceromony in that saying the prayer faces the Celestial Room. They may come in the circumstances of our lives or through the kind acts of those around us. Well, I’m sure that’ll happen to me in the future, in some way or another. Who doesn’t want this done? Anyone else who has followed this journey knows what I am about to share is true. Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. We are all children of God. They decided to seek those answers at home, in a prayer circle, using the 'true order of prayer,' as taught in LDS temples" (Johns, p. 32). Tim has put direction to questions I’ve had, but more questions arise, then dogmatic statements confuse. Now, I sleep deep and untroubled, awaken refreshed and happy. I am very familiar with the handbooks. Dancin’ around big eyes as well Then you're just allowing others to share your prayer at a later time. It is not something that requires special ceremonial clothing, or ceremonial signs and tokens, or reserved ceremonial words. We humans don’t learn best in a vacuum–we learn through interactions, connections with others. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Answers to prayer come in many ways. After all, “God will not be mocked!” That being said I have received answers before I have asked in prayer but continued onto fulfill all righteousness. When we make a request through prayer, we must do all we can to assist in its being granted. Everyone knows you can find multiple copies of the entire temple ceremony online at various sites. As we strive to make prayer a part of our lives, we should remember this counsel: Make our prayers meaningful. ” (The Second Comforter, p. 100). There is an order or ceremony to prayer that will allow us to converse with the Lord through the veil and receive instruction or revelation. Some might contend that this last contradicts its source material – however, it is canonized in its present form and is the binding and official teaching of the Church, by common consent. And you know, and you know, and you know. The members of the circle repeat the words of the prayer. Every morning and every evening, we should kneel together in humility, giving each family member frequent opportunities to say the prayer and uniting in gratitude for the blessings Heavenly Father has given us. Now, don’t expect the portal to open immediately. But the clear references to the locality of heaven do not point inward. That just makes me think. If we had no need for Holy temples, the Prophet of God would inform us. If we have a difficult task before us, Heavenly Father is pleased when we get on our knees and ask for help and then get on our feet and go to work. Quote as follows from Denver’s Blog, As we continue to draw near to our Heavenly Father through prayer, we will recognize more readily His merciful and wise answers to our pleadings. If we didn’t need others to learn, then we could just do this whole thing solo.). You are no longer in a state of believing, but a state of knowledge. She said she was pondering it. The application of this principle will vary according to different languages. Feel free to message us or post on our wall. I did not feel it was necessary. Fifteen years is a long time, and I’ve missed thousands of hours of discussion with my husband and friends as I’ve driven to and from the temple (a 90 minute trip), spent time talking together in the evenings, etc. You must ask this question for yourself. My probable answer is no. Secret signs and passwords accompany this ordinance. He will respond. Well, it does! As we close our prayers, we should take time to pause and listen. 2 And they were also conversing about this Jesus Christ, of whom the sign had been given concerning his death. Is the true order of prayer really about “secret handshakes,” is it really about “holding my hands” in a certain way? “The Holy Ghost did fall upon them and enter their hearts.”.. “the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven”. A house of order may not just be referring to an order of things (ie: housekeeping), but of priorities within the home and family unit. Acts 1 If there is an order or ceremony to pray that will bring us closer to communing with God and our redeemer then I can’t think of anything more essential. Now having said that — if any of this is necessary (movement, hand gestures, clothing), what could these practices or objects symbolically be representing? To be sure of the message here… is the distinction being made that we need to be endowed, but women would not need a priesthood holder ‘present’ while calling upon God in the TOP? Whether he really meant it or not, you’ll have to decide for yourself. To both Nathan and Log: Amen. If I am called in to explain myself or if they convene a counsel, I will be submissive and respectful. I tend to pray next to my bed facing the Salt Lake Temple / Sun-set. And if so, do I need to bless it for use as an altar at each session? I have sat in many Gospel Doctrine and High Priest Group Meetings where even long-time temple workers were hesitant to say anything of detail even when the lesson was specifically about the temple. So many people have sent me their material on the subject and have shared their own sacred experiences with parting the veil through the True Order of Prayer in their own homes. By the way, since Sunday was a Fast Sunday for our stake, I was fasting for several things. The comments have been very helpful, especially Mark’s–as moved as I was after reading the post, I found I was skeptical of the idea that lacking a certain posture or movement is what is keeping us out of heaven. Bill, maybe Snuffer was being a bit cheeky. A House of Prayer I am so thankful for my parents making a house of Prayer when I was a young kid. The Lord will bless you for your obedience to Him. To the Nephites He said, “Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is right, believing that ye shall receive, behold it shall be given unto you” (3 Nephi 18:20). I posed some questions which could not come to fruit due to distance. The Lord is more concerned with why you do things than what you do. Tim, this is marvelous. Mother shared many things with me that perhaps she shouldn’t have, but I can say she didn’t break any covenants as she did. Take your time, experiment on the word and experience. Such a prayer,” Mary said, “I have never heard before or since. I thanked my Father for the tender mercies of the Lord throughout my life, acknowledged my love for him, made my request known, thanked my Father again and closed my prayer. It is a house of God. He has no right to revelation for the general church. Quickly, one can not engage in this process without asking, receiving and experiencing deeper realities. 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